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Post by Lee Harradine on Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:48 am

Just an update that recruiting and signing players is in full swing.

What do you think our needs are for next year.

Plenty, obviously, but fire away....
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by Lachlan on Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:54 am

We need

1. A Key Forward

2. 2 Key Defenders

3. An Experienced Ruckman

4. 2 Outside Mids with pace that can use the ball.

5. A running half back who can break lines and use the ball.
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by scorpion on Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:24 pm

A complete overhaul of FITNESS plus a SKILLS COACH who can teach the players in all basics of the game

EG..... H/Ball....Kicking....Where to Run....(When we have the Ball)..(When we haven't)

A person who comes to mind is D. Jarman  or  A.Mcleod

I do understand that the players do have these Skills.   if I could
use 1 player as an  example,   it would be S.Green,   you  couldn't ask for a
more Dedicated player,    but at Times his Passing to another player is ordinary.

For me   Pre Season should Start in the middle of October,   with the Main Emphasis on
the above PROBLEMS.

Surely I am not the only one who can see this

PS I am no expert  I only played A1 Amateur a long time ago
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by brodlach on Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:00 pm

A complete overhaul of the recruiting committee would be a great way to start. Get some people focused only on recruiting who actually know about players
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by bundy on Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:11 pm

brodlach wrote:A complete overhaul of the recruiting committee would be a great way to start. Get some people focused only on recruiting who actually know about players

Agree 100%
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by Lee Harradine on Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:17 am

brodlach wrote:A complete overhaul of the recruiting committee would be a great way to start. Get some people focused only on recruiting who actually know about players

I agree. Sack the lot of them.

They fluked a premiership last year.

Sack them all and pay someone who knows players $100,000 to do the job.

Easy.
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by aldo russian on Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:30 am

Identifying quality players isn't our problem. Enticing them to the club is.
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by zumunda on Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:46 am

Aren't people allowed to have their opinion without having sarcastic answers thrown at them
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by Oldfella on Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:09 am

Mate, Issue has previously been raised and clearly explained -- cheep shots at unpaid volenteer staff especially when personality driven not fact is not acceptable and does tend to get a tart response.
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by brodlach on Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:45 am

I will address oldfella first. At no stage have I had a crack before so the insinuation that I have is not correct. We all cannot be happy clappers and agree with everything that is posted on here. I have not had any personality attacks on anyone before so again that is incorrect

I stand by my original post. Yep we did win the premiership last season sandwiched between two horrible, disgraceful years so some, and I am one, think we did get lucky last year. We were not the best team of the year but we were on the day.

I am entitled to my opinion, our recruiting has been ordinary for years. I know it is tough to get players to our financially troubled club but after a premiership it should have been easier but we rested on our laurels. I have heard people say we lost so many players in the draft, I think blind Freddy could have seen that coming. When was the last time a decent ruckman was found and bought to the club? Lachlan has been banging on about it for at least the past 5 years. They are out there, Dylan Mullins went to Sturt this year ( got injured unfortunately) he rang to discuss coming to West but I believe never got a call back

Of course because it is going to go against the club you're are not going to be happy Lee as you think it is a personal attack but it is not. It is constructive criticism but unfortunately there are too many at the club who think the club is actually about them not the overall club and supporters.

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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by bundy on Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:49 am

150% AGREE a well constructed response.
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by Lee Harradine on Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:49 am

You make a fair point, zumunda and I should have been more considered.

It just comes from the frustration that Mark Mickan, Jason Porplyzia, John Kantilaftas and several other people who put in countless hours are dismissed as knowing nothing about recruiting.  

The recruiting committee has close links to the best AFL recruiting managers, player managers, State League observers, country league observers and they have an extensive knowledge of every likely player in those leagues.

aldo russian is right.  It's not about identifying players, it's enticing them to come here, arranging jobs, study opportunities, contracts, partners, offers from rival clubs here and interstate and other arrangements, as well as persuading interstate recruits to totally uproot their life to play SANFL.

My apologies for reacting as I did, though.

PS: Just read your post, brodlach and will respond.
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by Lee Harradine on Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:00 pm

Thanks brodlach, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as I am to respond.

You may feel that saying the recruiting committee doesn't know anything about players isn't a personal attack on them, others may disagree.

I also don't see that as 'constructive criticism'.

I always join in here, so perhaps you'll agree that I am one of the few who does engage with supporters and put myself up for criticism.

As for recruiting, what you want (and what lachlan wants) is just the same as what I want. Unfortunately it's not that easy and recruiting is filled with disappointments more often than success. It's easy to dismiss the recruiting for a premiership last year as a fluke, but so be it.

I certainly don't take it as a personal attack, but I do think it's unfair on several others, who are highly qualified people, West Adelaide legends who live and breathe West Adelaide.


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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by brodlach on Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:13 pm

Can you point out where I said the recruiting committee doesn't know anything about players? I say again because it is something you are involved in you are taking it as a personal attack. I didn't  notice any comment to Scorps (sorry Scorps) after his " attack" on fitness and skills coach. You obviously cannot be involved in that?


No point living and breathing West Adelaide if we are not around anymore
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by Lee Harradine on Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:46 pm

brodlach wrote:Can you point out where I said the recruiting committee doesn't know anything about players? I say again because it is something you are involved in you are taking it as a personal attack. I didn't  notice any comment to Scorps (sorry Scorps) after his " attack" on fitness and skills coach. You obviously cannot be involved in that?


No point living and breathing West Adelaide if we are not around anymore

Refer to your original post. Hard to read it any differently.

Your last line is what it's all about. For better or worse, so many volunteers put so much of their life into our club, to help ensure we continue to survive. Right now, I don't care about whether I'm personally attacked or not, there are far more important things in life to be concerned with and to keep us surviving. If we do survive, and we will, it will be because of the dedication of our staff and volunteers.

Our club has many great people. They all work hard for West Adelaide and they're a team. I'll take your point and not react to criticism of volunteers so quickly, but I'd ask it's kept constructive.






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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by brodlach on Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:53 pm

brodlach wrote:A complete overhaul of the recruiting committee would be a great way to start. Get some people focused only on recruiting who actually know about players

Well read my post again....it does not say that.


"Focused only on recruiting who know about players" makes total sense to me. No point being focused on recruiting if you know nothing about players

You started the thread, not my fault you got a response that you didn't want to see


You chose to address a part of my posts but not the rest?
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by Lee Harradine on Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:57 pm

Mate, I think you just want an argument.

Not sure why, but I don't.
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by brodlach on Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:00 pm

Your opinion means nothing to me Oldfella, thanks anyway for you input

I will address it though, when have I ever come on here or any forum just to start an argument?

Examples please?
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by RODH2 on Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:54 pm

brodlach wrote:A complete overhaul of the recruiting committee would be a great way to start. Get some people focused only on recruiting who actually know about players
Question Perhaps I have misunderstood your first post, Brodlach.......?
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by brodlach on Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:04 pm

RODH2 wrote:
brodlach wrote:A complete overhaul of the recruiting committee would be a great way to start. Get some people focused only on recruiting who actually know about players
Question Perhaps I have misunderstood your first post, Brodlach.......?

Not sure what you mean by that, as far as I can see you have not commented until now?
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Post by RODH2 on Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:16 pm

Well, you are saying that the current recruiting Committee doesn't know anything about players, and then you deny it. My view would be to promote youngsters through the system, and in today's climate you are only going to recruit 1 maybe 2 key position players, if you are lucky. I just can't see how attacking the Clubs people is in any way positive. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism, or ideas, but sweeping statements achieve nothing.
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by brodlach on Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:23 pm

The main point of my post was 'focused on recruiting' not many other parts of the club. Recruiting is a specialist position. That seems to be clearly glossed ovet
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by brodlach on Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:28 pm

Lee Harradine wrote:Mate, I think you just want an argument.

Not sure why, but I don't.

The change didn't slip past me either Lee
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by RODH2 on Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:32 pm

Well, let's have some positive ideas about what you would Actually DO, regarding recruiting, and where you think the current mob have not succeeded. As was pointed out, you are talking about Jobs, accomodation, partners, salaries, etc. etc.  Can't be easy.  But, what would you actually do, as far as recruiting goes, that every other club is not doing?
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Re: Needs for 2017

Post by aldo russian on Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:58 pm

brodlach wrote:Can you point out where I said the recruiting committee doesn't know anything about players?

I can. It's where you said we should completely overhaul the recruiting committee and get some people who actually know about players.
It's a point of view, but ultimately it's the coach who decides who gets recruited and who doesn't.
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